En 90 años de existencia, la Cooperativa Popular de Electricidad pasó de prestar el servicio de electricidad a innovar en gas, sepelio, televisión, internet y telefonía fija (ahora busca completar la “pata móvil”). Con el tiempo, se convirtió además en un actor de relevancia simbólica dentro del “imaginario pampeano” que nadie cuestiona. Quienes se “meten” con la Cooperativa se están metiendo con un movimiento al que adhieren casi la totalidad de los sectores políticos, organizaciones sociales y sindicales y medios de comunicación (más allá del vecino que es usuario). Esto quedó reflejado cuando el ex intendente de Cambiemos, Leandro Altolaguirre, promulgó –pese a todos los repudios y al desgaste de su figura- una ordenanza para permitir el alquiler de espacios públicos para que cualquier empresa de servicio de telecomunicaciones pueda instalar antenas 4G, iniciativa que la CPE consideró “a medida de las empresas multinacionales”. Otra es la mirada del actual jefe comunal Luciano di Nápoli, que lleva a la CPE como una de sus principales banderas políticas, y que esta semana dijo: “Cada vez que algún amigo visita nuestra ciudad, cuento con orgullo que aquí no hay multinacionales brindando el servicio eléctrico sino que lo hace una cooperativa que además fue puntal para todo el desarrollo cooperativo pampeano”.
A 90 años de la fundación de la Cooperativa Popular de Electricidad, Revista BIFE entrevistó a Fabián Denda, gerente de Telecomunicaciones. “Somos una empresa social, que no buscamos lucro. Nosotros buscamos excedentes que nos permitan las reinversiones. En ciudad de Buenos Aires el acceso a Internet sale 2 mil pesos, acá 450 pesos”, explicó Denda cuando se le consultó sobre la importancia de que estos servicios sean manejados por una cooperativa y no por una empresa privada. “¿Y los riesgos de que una entidad se convierta en un monopolio?”, se le preguntó, y el gerente respondió: “En el caso nuestro no sucede porque competimos. En los sectores que estamos sólo nosotros es porque vamos e invertimos donde una empresa privada no lo haría porque no le resultaría redituable”.
Por otro lado, ¿cómo van a afrontar las deudas los 8 mil usuarios que hoy tiene la CPE pero que gracias a una determinación de Nación no se les puede cortar el servicio? Denda explicó que a aquellas personas que no puedan pagar, se les prestará un servicio reducido: “2 megas de Internet, tráfico de 500 minutos mensuales y tv con 17 canales”
En cuanto al nuevo gobierno nacional, dijo que tienen “enormes expectativas”, después de cuatro años “casi sin atención a las cooperativas”. Sobre el rol de la Cooperativa en el proyecto de gestión del gobierno provincial, consideró que hoy es algo “muy embrionario, porque recién está arrancando”.
La economía es la principal preocupación del sector de telecomunicaciones, tanto la posible disparada del dólar como la situación de las importaciones. Sin embargo, Denda no visualiza riesgos muy grandes, salvo la posibilidad de restringir inversiones. Distinta es la economía de los usuarios, que tras la cuarentena se acumularon un 20% de deudores. Por eso se están analizando planes de pago para cuando se decida volver a la normalidad. Esto, naturalmente, no impidió que en contexto de encierro aumente el consumo de Internet, que pasó de 35 gigas a 55, mientras que hoy se mantiene en 50 gigas.
-¿Cuál es la importancia de que estos servicios los maneje una cooperativa y no capitales privados?
Primero somos una empresa social, que no buscamos el lucro. Nosotros buscamos excedentes que nos permitan las reinversiones para dar buenos servicios al mejor precio posible. Eso en los hechos está reflejado, porque sabemos lo que pagan en otras provincias por los servicios de telecomunicaciones. Hoy el acceso a internet en ciudad de Buenos Aires sale 2 mil pesos, y acá tenes a 450 pesos. El ahorro que provoca en la comunidad la participación de la cooperativa en telecomunicaciones es de millones de pesos anuales. Si la cooperativa no estuviera, la gente estaría pagando 3500 pesos por servicios paquetizados.
-¿Cuáles son los riesgos de que una entidad se convierta en un monopolio?
En el caso nuestro no, porque nosotros competimos. Nosotros nacimos compitiendo. Acá competimos con un montón.
-Hay sectores en los que están exclusivamente ustedes.
Porque nosotros fuimos e invertimos. Hacemos la inversión. Es decir, nos dedicamos a hacer las inversiones en los lugares donde hay cinco casitas. Llegamos hace poco tiempo con una red de fibras al barrios Los Hornos, donde hay 30 viviendas. Y para llegar a esas 30 viviendas hubo que llegar con fibra óptica, con una inversión muy grande. Si esto vos lo planteas desde el punto de vista de una empresa privada, no lo hacés. Como Telefónica dijo en un cierto punto no hago más redes porque no me conviene.
Si la cooperativa no estuviera, la gente estaría pagando 3500 pesos por servicios paquetizados.
-¿En qué otros lugares que no conviene han invertido?
No es que no conviene…
-Desde el punto de vista de un capital privado...
En el caso nuestro siempre conviene porque tenemos esa otra función. Nosotros nos debemos a que los socios tengan esa posibilidad. Entonces no tenemos esa mirada, de cuánto vamos a recuperar. Miramos el proyecto global. No miramos el proyecto de cinco viviendas, porque si miramos eso es irrealizable. Nosotros tenemos un concepto distinto.
-¿Qué visión tiene respecto del actual gobierno y su relación con las cooperativas?
Con enormes expectativas. Pero es una opinión personal. Hemos pasado los últimos 4 años casi sin atención a las cooperativas. Pedimos en 2017 la extensión para solicitar los servicios en Catriló. Y desde Enacom encontraron una veta legal para decirnos que no lo podíamos hacer. Cuestiones incomprensibles. Y era por el hecho de ser cooperativa. Tenemos expectativas, pero bueno, hay que ver cómo se sale de todo esto.
-¿Qué rol ocupa la CPE en el proyecto de gestión del actual gobierno provincial?
Hoy es muy difícil decir. Es muy embrionario, porque recién está arrancando. No hay nada desde lo operativo todavía. Hoy más que nada se está gestionando frecuencias, que se han pedido. Escuché al gobernador que está haciendo un plan de frecuencias para pedir, lo cual es lógico que sea así. Después se verá. No hay conformación de empresas. Sí se sabe cuál es la participación que nos toca a nosotros en el paquete accionario: 35% para las cooperativas y cada cooperativa un 3%.
No miramos el proyecto de cinco viviendas, porque si miramos eso es irrealizable. Nosotros tenemos un concepto distinto”
-En lo que es telecomunicaciones, ¿se está pensando en abarcar otros servicios?
Falta la pata móvil. El teléfono fijo va a quedar como una reliquia. La televisión con sus modificaciones, porque cuando nosotros empezamos a prestar el servicio, era el televisor y el decodificador. Hoy vos ya estás abrumado de las servicios de contenido de Internet, es decir, televisión en Internet y las plataformas como Netflix, etcétera, que solo requiere del acceso a Internet. Es la tendencia que ya se está imponiendo, de ver por Internet y en el momento que vos quieras.
-Principales preocupaciones
Básicamente la economía, cómo va a afectar los servicios que prestamos. La economía que tiene que ver con nuestra industria, si el dólar se dispara va a ser complicado. Otra preocupación es el tema de las importaciones. Hoy cuesta mucho conseguir equipos. Los proveedores lo tienen a cuentagotas. No hay stock de nada en Argentina. Y eso le quita la dinámica. Otras preocupaciones que tiene que ver con cuándo vamos a poder ingresar a los domicilios.
Hemos pasado los últimos 4 años casi sin atención a las cooperativas”
-¿Qué riesgos hay?
Riesgos no, pero sí restringir inversiones, y quedar paralizado por un tiempo. O el riesgo de no poder vender equipos. Si bien tenemos reservas para poder cambiar los equipos. Creería que igualmente no va a pasar, pero está dentro de las cuestiones que pueden pasar dentro de una macroeconomía que no se sabe para dónde va a ir.
-¿Cuál es el balance económico de la CPE el último mes?
Desde hace bastantes años tenemos buenos resultados, que nos permiten ir haciendo las inversiones que venimos realizando. Nosotros tenemos un incremento de tarifas que se aplicaban a partir de abril, que lo suspendimos. Los incrementos eran para absorber el desfasaje del 2019. No lo aplicamos con lo cual estamos con números favorables que van a tener que ser revisados para que se pueda seguir con las inversiones.
El teléfono fijo va a quedar como una reliquia. La televisión con sus modificaciones, porque cuando nosotros empezamos a prestar el servicio, era el televisor y el decodificador”
-Hay una determinación de Nación que prohíbe suspender los servicios durante la cuarentena. Si esa decisión no se hubiera tomado, ¿cuántas personas hoy estarían en condiciones de tener el servicio cortado?
Es relativo. Hoy en condición de corte, por facturas impagas, habrá un 20%. Ahora bien, antes de la pandemia, cuando efectuamos los cortes de servicio lo hacemos al 10% del padrón, y al día siguiente ya tenés el 5%. De manera que lo que no puedo determinar es si hoy se cortaría el servicio, cuántos estarían con capacidad de reconectar el servicio. Pero sí lógicamente el deudor ha crecido, producto de una situación económica muy dura.
-¿Cuántos son los deudores?
Unos 8 mil usuarios. Eso es muy dinámico y varía.
-¿Tienen en cuenta la situación socioeconómica a la hora de realizar los cortes?
A diferencia de todas las empresas de telecomunicaciones, nosotros facturamos a mes vencido. Nosotros prestamos el servicio y después facturamos. Eso implica que cuando uno efectúa el corte, la persona ya tiene 4 períodos.
El Enacom te dice ‘a esta persona no le cortes, empezá a prestarle un servicio reducido. Que son 2 megas de internet, trafico de 500 minutos mensuales y tv con 17 canales
-¿Analizan planes de pago para después de la cuarentena?
Sí, hoy no están del todo resueltos. El Enacom está estableciendo una serie de pautas, que requiere de información de las empresas de telecomunicaciones. Nos pedían quienes eran los deudores al momento de corte. Desde el Enacom nos van a decir quiénes estarían exceptuados de cortar, y paralelamente se les prestaría un servicio reducido. Es decir, el Enacom te dice ‘a esta persona no le cortes, empezá a prestarle un servicio reducido. Que son 2 megas de internet, trafico de 500 minutos mensuales y tv con 17 canales. También está el tema de la refinanciación de la deuda.
Hoy en condición de corte, por facturas impagas, habrá un 20%”
-¿Cómo funcionó la CPE durante la cuarentena para sobrellevar el momento?
A todos nos agarró de sorpresa el cierre, cuando se revuelve la cuarentena. Nos agarró en una situación muy complicada porque tenemos una dinámica de ventas muy importante. Si bien las telecomunicaciones son un servicio esencial, en forma paralela el Enacom determina el cierre de las oficinas comerciales y el no ingreso a la vivienda. Internamente también generó bastantes cambios, porque vendemos en nuestras oficinas, y con la atención de reclamos. Nos fuimos reconvirtiendo en pocos días. Empezamos a trabajar desde la casa. A fines de abril nos acomodamos con volver a hacer las instalaciones, sin ingreso a la vivienda. Empezamos con las conexiones de Internet, de todo lo que teníamos pendiente desde que surgió la cuarentena. Hoy en el call center trabajan 18 personas, de las cuales 15 están trabajando desde sus casas, con teletrabajo.
-¿Cuál es la situación de las conexiones en los barrios nuevos?
Estamos con una demora de 7 días en cuanto a las conexiones a Internet. Cuando arrancó la cuarentena habíamos terminado dos etapas del barrio Ara San Juan. La primera etapa tenía 400 y la segunda 200. Quedó pendiente 200 viviendas. En ese barrio que son mil viviendas, debemos estar en un 80% con el servicio.
Entre Santa Rosa, Toay y Catriló tenemos 46 mil accesos a internet. Es una penetración de la más alta del país. Santa Rosa junto a Capital Federal son las que más penetración de servicios fijo de Internet tiene. Eso tiene que ver lógicamente con la participación de lo cooperativa.
-Aumentó la demanda de Internet con la cuarentena, ¿cómo era la demanda antes y cómo es ahora? ¿Se mantiene? ¿Lo pudo soportar la Cooperativa con los equipos que tiene hoy?
Llegamos al límite. Al 17 de marzo teníamos un consumo global de tráfico de 35 gigas. El 19 y 20 de marzo pasó a ser 55 gigas. Fue un incremento brutal. La capacidad de salida la teníamos garantizada. El 70% del contenido que circula en Internet responde a servidores que están acá. El resto es salida hacia Internet. No tuvimos ningún problema en cuanto a la salida y la respuesta. Sí en algunos barrios tuvimos límites, con lo cual arrancamos fuertemente (desde el 20 de marzo al 5 de abril) a ampliar las capacidades de barrios que están en situación límites. El incremento lo soportamos bien, gracias a inversiones que habíamos hecho antes. Después empezaron los otros problemas, porque el usuario tenía 6 megas, que le alcanzaba con dos dispositivos, pero al concentrarse todos en la casa, empezaron a utilizar 5 dispositivos en simultáneo. Y ahí empezaron a tener algunos inconvenientes.
Santa Rosa junto a Capital Federal son las que más penetración de servicios fijo de Internet tiene. Eso tiene que ver lógicamente con la participación de lo cooperativa”
-¿Cómo está el consumo ahora?
Se ha estabilizado en 50 gigas.
-Wi fi en la calle, ¿cómo funciona?
Es un proyecto que venimos desde hace tiempo. Tiene la intención de darle un valor agregado a nuestros usuarios. Esto tiene que ver que aquellos que tienen el servicio en su casa, nosotros le damos la posibilidad de que se conecten afuera. Son 18 puntos de accesos en zona céntrica, más que nada en la laguna. Es en el centro, pero también se está pensando en hacerlo en otros lugares.
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